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INGuy
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Top 101 Cities With The Highest Average Snowfall (pop. 50,000+)
Original Message Oct 16, 2009 9:05 am |
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goofienewfie
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Re: Top 101 Cities With The Highest Average Snowfall (pop. 50,000+)
Reply #1 Oct 16, 2009 12:25 pm |
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To bad its only American Cities... If Canada was on it and other countries we may see some "REAL" numbers.. lol :P Going by those totals in Inches and adding my Canadian City, not region/province I am at #1 .. But if others post Canadian totals I probably won't be for long.. :) My City in Newfoundland, Canada gets 322.3 centimeters = 126.889764 inches of snow on average each year. That number is based on WMO standards and a average over 30 year span. Other cities in my province get an average of 180 Inches per winter.. Again over 30 year average.
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INGuy
Location: NW Indiana (Land of lake effect snow)
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Re: Top 101 Cities With The Highest Average Snowfall (pop. 50,000+)
Reply #4 Oct 16, 2009 1:17 pm |
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I wonder how they arrived at those averages. I'm not sure... On their main page, they're ambiguous in saying, "We've collected and analyzed data from numerous sources to create as complete and interesting profiles of all U.S. cities as we could." Nowhere did I find what those "sources" are. I hope I didn't link to a bunch of bunk data.
I found on a local news source page for South Bend, IN (city #18 referenced in my OP) that the 2008-2009 total was 77.2" and normal/average is 76.5". That's a few more than the 71" listed in the link, but within reason I would say.
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borat
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Re: Top 101 Cities With The Highest Average Snowfall (pop. 50,000+)
Reply #5 Oct 16, 2009 2:26 pm |
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The numbers listed aren't unrealistic. When averaging statistics, years with very little snowfall can skew the numbers dramatically. If the averaging were to eliminate the very unusually light snowfall years, the numbers would reveal a very different perspective. For instance lets look at five years of average snowfall in the area of my city in Northwestern Ontario. Depending on the source, we receive an average of 74 to 83 inches of snow. Those two figures average 78.5 inches. Hypothetically, lets say that in the last five years we received the following amount of snow
2008 - 79 2007 - 82 2006 - 91 2005 - 30 2004 - 89
The average is 74.2 inches. Now take out the 30 inch snow fall and divide the total by four years. We get an average of 85.25. All it takes is a couple of years of low snowfall accumulations to skew the numbers.
In my area, I've seen years with very little snow accumulations. Less than 25 inches. Very rare of course. Other years I've seen in excess of 115 inches. The winter of 1995/96 comes to mind. Unusual but not as rare as less than 25 inches. So, despite the fact that the numbers say otherwise, our perspective of average snowfall reflects the normal annual snowfall rates we're used to seeing. Not the average.
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INGuy
Location: NW Indiana (Land of lake effect snow)
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Re: Top 101 Cities With The Highest Average Snowfall (pop. 50,000+)
Reply #6 Oct 16, 2009 2:51 pm |
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The numbers listed aren't unrealistic. When averaging statistics, years with very little snowfall can skew the numbers dramatically. If the averaging were to eliminate the very unusually light snowfall years, the numbers would reveal a very different perspective. For instance lets look at five years of average snowfall in the area of my city in Northwestern Ontario. Depending on the source, we receive an average of 74 to 83 inches of snow. Those two figures average 78.5 inches. Hypothetically, lets say that in the last five years we received the following amount of snow
2008 - 79 2007 - 82 2006 - 91 2005 - 30 2004 - 89
The average is 74.2 inches. Now take out the 30 inch snow fall and divide the total by four years. We get an average of 85.25. All it takes is a couple of years of low snowfall accumulations to skew the numbers.
In my area, I've seen years with very little snow accumulations. Less than 25 inches. Very rare of course. Other years I've seen in excess of 115 inches. The winter of 1995/96 comes to mind. Unusual but not as rare as less than 25 inches. So, despite the fact that the numbers say otherwise, our perspective of average snowfall reflects the normal annual snowfall rates we're used to seeing. Not the average. So, in your example, the median value of 82 would be closer to what is normally expected than the average. I vaguely remember a type of averaging used in science that does exactly as you did, and tosses out the lowest and highest results, which are considered anomalies not representative of the norm.
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snowgo
Location: Wisconsin
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Re: Top 101 Cities With The Highest Average Snowfall (pop. 50,000+)
Reply #7 Oct 16, 2009 3:02 pm |
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I agree. I can remember winters where it seemed like we only had to shovel 4 or 5 times the entire winter. Rare, but it happens. Then these last 2 winters around here, we literally had to shovel every other day for 5 or 6 week stretches at a time. The reason I even joined this list is due to those last 2 winters. Before that, I was content using my old used 1965 (or so) Ariens snow blower. But if we keep getting winters like they have been lately, I need a more powerful snow blower to do the job. The old Ariens served me well!
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INGuy
Location: NW Indiana (Land of lake effect snow)
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Re: Top 101 Cities With The Highest Average Snowfall (pop. 50,000+)
Reply #10 Oct 17, 2009 12:13 am |
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Hey,
In las Vegas I got about 3 inches of wet snow on Dec 21st, and about 3 1/2 inches of blow sand for the year..
Friiy Does 3" snow shut down the city, like it would in the south? What's blow sand?
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