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pgill


Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Points: 23

28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Original Message   Dec 31, 2008 4:23 am
I had possed this question in the previous thread I had created, but I am posting it again here in hopes of getting some quick feedback.  I have purchased the 28inch model, but could change my mind if I call in the morning before they deliver it.

As far as my Simplicity goes, the dealer had both the 28 and 32 inch pro models.  I really debated between the two, as there was only a $200.00 difference.  I thought the 28" would be the way to go for the best power to width ratio, and the motors are the same as far as I can tell.  Dealers seem think it is only a tweak in the carb, or higher RPM that gives the 32"  the extra hp.  I don't mind the smaller cut, as either is bigger than my old machine, but what got me wondering was the tires.  between the two they are the same height, but the 32" has a significantly wider tire.  Will it drive through the heavy stuff much better, or does the added width of the auger make it equal again? 

I could probably call first thing in the morning and switch to the 32" if it was much better.  I was thinking the 28" should be equal because of the narrower width, it also felt like it had a little more weight up front than 32" which I hoped would help the augers to bite in a little more.  I thought that was odd since it was smaller up front, but the dealer thought so as well as we were looking at them.

I was also wondering if others typically use the wieghts that can be added on, and/or chains on the wheels?  Does anyone feel they make much difference, or recommend to get them or not?  Also, I asked the dealer to fill it with a synthetic oil.  Seems everything is going that way so I figure why not.  They said they would pick up some Ams Oil from the dealer down the road from them.  For future use, does anyone recommend something like Mobile One or Ams oil, others?  Perhaps a particular type of grease as well?  Wish I thought of asking the dealer what grease they use, I could have asked them to switch that as well if needed.  I'm sure it will be good enough to get me started, then I'll hit it with the grease gun anyway.

I like the 28 inch, just thought I would see if someone experienced with these things thought I should really go with 32 inch for some reason while I still have a choice.

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pgill


Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Points: 23

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #5   Dec 31, 2008 1:48 pm
Thanks, just got back in from taking delivery and giving it a try.  Very impressed, kinda makes my old Ariens 8524 look like a toy, although I have to say it worked well when it worked to.  Right now the temp outside is getting to close to 0 degrees for me to really look at to much.  It came serviced ofcourse, so hopefully it will be good enough till things warm up a bit.  Just cleared the end of the driveway and put it away for now.  Starting to think about the snowcab in the near future.  Is there a special one to work with these channel handle bars?

Just called my dealer, says he has a simplicity snowcab on hand for $190.00 and he thinks it comes with the weight kit to balance the machine back out.  Good way to go?

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borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #6   Dec 31, 2008 2:06 pm
With the channel framework, you probably don't have much of a choice.  Maybe someone out there knows different.  Considering you just bought the machine, the dealer should cut you some slack on the cab.  See what kind of deal you can get.  Remember that you likely don't have an alternative so you will be at the mercy of the dealer.   
montyss


Joined: Nov 18, 2005
Points: 9

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #7   Dec 31, 2008 5:19 pm
Pete   Can you tell where the dealer is that has the  Simplicity pro still ?
pgill


Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Points: 23

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #8   Dec 31, 2008 5:44 pm
montyss wrote:
Pete   Can you tell where the dealer is that has the  Simplicity
George Kahler Sales, Rome NY. I believe they have two 28 inch and one 32 inch pro simplicity left.  Hope that helps.
Bill_H


Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #9   Jan 1, 2009 11:33 pm
A bit late for the OP, but I've been thinking about this as I debated my next (if ever) purchase.

28" vs. 32":  aside from storage issues why not go with the larger one? It's only 4 inches so it may not save you a pass down a long driveway, then again it just might. Wider would save a pass on most driveways, and that is a big point for 50' or longer driveways. (Mine is 110') 32" is a nice width for a single pass on a sidewalk, my 28 is just a little bit too narrow.
Personally, I'd have a 42" if I could store it - the space at the front of my garage between the door is 36" so my 28 is fine and a 32 would be no trouble. 40 or more would stick out, forcing me to move it to the back of the garage, and then face the possibility of having to take out a vehicle to get the blower out to the driveway. That's the deal-killer.

I don't understand the worry about enough HP for a wider one, isn't that why we have gears? There's a certain amount of snow out there, and the wider one will pick up more to feed to the same impeller. If it's too much, you just slow down a little. If you're bogging down the engine at that point you'd want to slow down anyway. I only see this as an issue for the first pass. I think we all go less than full width on subsequent passes if it is so deep the machine is struggling. In my opinion, I think it's a non-issue, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.  Am I?

Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
Paul7


Joined: Mar 12, 2007
Points: 452

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #10   Jan 1, 2009 11:59 pm
From my perspective the power to width ratio isn't too meaningful except for the first cut into a new snowfall.  If the snow is deep I rarely take a full cut on subsequent passes in order to keep snow from falling to the cleared side of the front chute. 

The choice between the 2 models is not a decision to sweat over.  They are both BEASTS, and each will handle whatever falls from the sky.
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #11   Jan 2, 2009 1:28 am
Bill_H wrote:
A bit late for the OP, but I've been thinking about this as I debated my next (if ever) purchase.

28" vs. 32":  aside from storage issues why not go with the larger one? It's only 4 inches so it may not save you a pass down a long driveway, then again it just might. Wider would save a pass on most driveways, and that is a big point for 50' or longer driveways. (Mine is 110') 32" is a nice width for a single pass on a sidewalk, my 28 is just a little bit too narrow.
Personally, I'd have a 42" if I could store it - the space at the front of my garage between the door is 36" so my 28 is fine and a 32 would be no trouble. 40 or more would stick out, forcing me to move it to the back of the garage, and then face the possibility of having to take out a vehicle to get the blower out to the driveway. That's the deal-killer.

I don't understand the worry about enough HP for a wider one, isn't that why we have gears? There's a certain amount of snow out there, and the wider one will pick up more to feed to the same impeller. If it's too much, you just slow down a little. If you're bogging down the engine at that point you'd want to slow down anyway. I only see this as an issue for the first pass. I think we all go less than full width on subsequent passes if it is so deep the machine is struggling. In my opinion, I think it's a non-issue, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.  Am I?

You do have a point.  I have a 32" and I also do have to slow down when cutting into EOD pile.  Its a speed that balance getting the right amount of snow into the impeller while not too fast that the auger wants to ride over the snow.   When the snow is nice and consistent (soft and no ice patches on driveway), it's great to have a wide bucket.  However, when the pavement is uneven with ice or snow patches, I think the larger bucket tends to wander a bit more.  So for less than ideal snow, I'd prefer the 28" bucket because its more maneuverable and I can correct the wandering better.

I'd love to get a 42" blower, but something of that size, I want the weight of a tractor to keep that bucket in check.  I think that's just too large of a snowblower for a walk behind.  I can't get something that wide pass my car's rear bumper and the garage door.    I don't want to deal with moving a car around to get the snowblower outside. 

borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #12   Jan 2, 2009 10:58 am
My previous two Craftsman snow throwers were both powered by a 10 h.p. Tecumseh L-head.   Machine no. 1 was a 10-32, machine no. 2 was a 10-28.   All I can say about the two is that the 32 inch machine couldn't keep up with the 28".   Even when the 32 was running at it's best (newest) and the 28 was running at it worst (oldest) the 28 would out-work the 32".   From my experience, power is an issue.  Four inches of additional width is a 14% increase.   I don't know what that equates to volumetrically, but I believe that if you're going wider, more power is essential.  Personally, I'd want at least one more h.p. per two inches of extra width.    
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aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #13   Jan 2, 2009 11:28 am
borat wrote:
My previous two Craftsman snow throwers were both powered by a 10 h.p. Tecumseh L-head.   Machine no. 1 was a 10-32, machine no. 2 was a 10-28.   All I can say about the two is that the 32 inch machine couldn't keep up with the 28".   Even when the 32 was running at it's best (newest) and the 28 was running at it worst (oldest) the 28 would out-work the 32".   From my experience, power is an issue.  Four inches of additional with is a 14% increase.   I don't know what that equates to volumetrically, but I believe that if you're going wider, more power is essential.  Personally, I'd want at least one more h.p. per two inches of extra width.    



In addition to more horsepower, I think the impeller would have to be sized larger or at least spin at a higher RPM to effectively move the larger volume of snow collected by the larger width augers.  I see a lot of snowblowers where a 32" snowblower has the same impeller diameter as a 28" machine.

I think the Simplicity models and some commercial duty models size their impeller larger for larger width.  Not all manufacturers do this, however. 

borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: 28 or 32 inch Simplicity Pro Signature?
Reply #14   Jan 2, 2009 12:22 pm
Increasing Impeller speed/volume makes sense. 
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