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? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Original Message   Oct 18, 2008 10:01 pm
Is there a simple way to disconnect the governor arm from the carborator? I've removed the bolts that hold the carb on but it won't slide off (It needs cleaned big time) because the of the linkage to the governor arm (wire rod and spring).  The shop manual says to remove one of the two screws that hold it on, but I'm not sure which one should be removed or what will happen to the governor if I do remove them.  I have heard that governors are really hard to adjust and I was trying to avoid that agrevation.  I've labels the two screws "A" and "B"  (one of them is really a bolt).

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friiy


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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #37   Nov 9, 2008 9:42 pm
Screw A and B are you should not have to adjust....  unless someone has taken it apart... It looks as though no one has touched it..

The screw with the check mark is the high speed throttle plate limit,  if you tighten that down it will ( if I remember right) / should limit the no load top speed..

The unit,,as far as I  can tell from the video,  is running too fast at idle.  It should just put aglong about 500-700 rmp (I think).  and should run at about 3250 rpm at high speed.  ( I think)... Check the manual.  It should tell you...  Do you have a tach to see how fast it is going?

Just a note.... The checked screw and the screw on top of the  throttle shaft plate (low idle speed set screw) are screws that people try to adjust when the carb starts to clog up..

When the carbs start to clog up, they hunt and surge in rpm,  and will not sustain low speed rpm (idle)...  they adjust the screw so the carb is out of the idle range and continues to run...   But of coarse this is not right...

Good to hear it running,  does all the drive/ snow auger work ?

From the Desert,

Friiy

friiy


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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #38   Nov 9, 2008 9:51 pm
Your choke arm lever seems to bounce around alot, is it borken or just comming loose?

You may want to  peen the shaft back on the arm, and straighten it out. it will keep you from looseing the arm lever.

take a picture of the top of it, and I will tell you what I think should be done...

Friiy

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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #39   Nov 9, 2008 10:15 pm
friiy wrote:
Screw A and B are you should not have to adjust....  unless someone has taken it apart... It looks as though no one has touched it..The screw with the check mark is the high speed throttle plate limit,  if you tighten that down it will ( if I remember right) / should limit the no load top speed..The unit,,as far as I  can tell from the video,  is running too fast at idle.  It should just put aglong about 500-700 rmp (I think).  and should run at about 3250 rpm at high speed.  ( I think)... Check the manual.  It should tell you...  Do you have a tach to see how fast it is going?

I have no tach.  Sometimes auto parts stores will loan you things.  The manual says high rpm is 4000 and low rpm is 2000 (is "low" the same as "idle?").  There's also a horsepower rating but that is at a lower rpm like 3200 or so (under load?)  Wow 2000 rpm at idle. That might be about right. What do you think?

The engine RPMs   sound too fast to me too, its not you imagination.  That's why I'd like to adjust that limiting screw.  The screw does not look right the way it is. Its backed out so far that the little spring has no tension. But I don't know my way around those parts.  I do think that the rubber in the fuel line is breaking down and dissolving into the fuel.  I can see some black stuff in the carb when I look in past the choke plate. Not a lot, just a trace.  Where else would that be coming from?  The valve cover has a vent tube that feeds back into the air intake.  Maybe there's oil blowing by those valves. Hard to say.

You can imagine how great it was to hear it start.  The blower is a real beast.  I want to be able to snowblow the sidewalks in my neighborhood and so I will rarely have to turn it.  Until we get a snow I won't know if  was worth the effort.  It turns easier than some wheeled blowers that I have used but it is very heavy.  The blower part sounds like it needs a few new bearings (those are cheap) and I guess I'm going to have to open up the drive system to see why the shifting is sometimes "hit or miss."   In fourth gear it really moves along.  The belts need checked, I always worry that someone puts the wrong belt on.  It was used on a gravel drive so there are some paint issues.  I don't want to spend a lot of time on it until I know that I like how it blows snow.  

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friiy


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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #40   Nov 9, 2008 10:18 pm
Are you sure the RMP (4000,2000) is that auger rpm?

Friiy

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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #41   Nov 9, 2008 10:21 pm
Can you send me the link on the manual? or post it..

Thanks,

Friiy

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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #42   Nov 9, 2008 10:26 pm
friiy wrote:
Your choke arm lever seems to bounce around alot, is it borken or just comming loose? You may want to  peen the shaft back on the arm, and straighten it out. it will keep you from looseing the arm lever.
Yes it shakes. You cannot balance a quarter on this one.  Apparently Yamaha engines are known for vibration issues  when carbon builds up someplace (the cylinder head?) .  The engine is mounted on big rubber bumpers and the fuel tank has its own set of rubber bumpers. I was thinking of wrapping some fine wire around the vibrating arm. I worried I'd wreck something if I started hammering away.  But if you have any ideas I'm game.  The shaking does not send vibration down to the choke plate (not yet anyway.)  If I find a tach, what do I point it at? The shaft coming out out to the pulleys and belts?
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friiy


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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #43   Nov 9, 2008 10:52 pm
http://www.tinytach.com/tinytach/gasoline.php

This is the kind I have used for years, It has a induction pickup wire  you wrap around the spark plug wire ( around the insulation, you dont want to send engien spark down the pick-up wire)

Friiy

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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #44   Nov 9, 2008 10:55 pm
friiy wrote:
Can you send me the link on the manual?
This is from the manual to my snowblower's smaller 6hp twin.  The two engins are very similiar.
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friiy


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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #45   Nov 9, 2008 11:02 pm
What you do with the choke is:

    With a small punch (with the diameter about the size of the float pin) tap the top of the brass shaft of the carb.  Tap just tap hard enough to start denting and moving/ flareing out he brass over the steel choke plate and arm...  After that I would clean the area  with contact cleaner and ruff it up with some heavy Scotch bright  (maroon color).   Clean it again with contack cleaner and put a drop of epoxy  ( like JB weld) on the shaft and plate-arm area.  Just to reinforce the shaft to arm area and to prevent fretting and wear.

   Friiy

friiy


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Re: ? How can you disconnect the governor arm from the carborator without messing up the governor or wrecking the linkage to the carb?
Reply #46   Nov 9, 2008 11:09 pm
Wow,   seems high.. your's is a 8hp?    Where do you see full speed?

You said you saw something on the motor rated at  ##hp @ 3200 rpm or so?

.Friiy

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