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Snowbound
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Re: snapper sellsout to sears
Reply #14 Jan 23, 2008 2:12 pm |
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Was that a 426 c.i. hemi? I watched a documentary last night that pitted the Chevy 409, Pontiac 421, Chevy 427, Ford 427 and Mopar 426 against each other in a max. crankshaft dyno measured power comparison. The 409 made 406 h.p., the 421 around 416 h.p., the Chev 427 at 425 h.p., the Ford 427 an impressive 637 h.p. and the Mopar - get ready for this, 853 h.p.!!!!! That was in the 60s! All of the above engines were stock components but blue printed. The elephant was certainly an awesome engine. I'm recalling from memory so I might be off by a horsepower or two. I noticed Sears has rated the power of this year's snow thrower (comparable to my particular model) with torque rather than with horsepower. My model is rated at 11.5 hp and this year's corresponding model is rated with 14.5 torque. HP isn't mentioned. Fifteen customer reviews were mostly great with a few exceptions and they (customers) mentioned that this model is 11 hp. Does the use of the word torque, rather than hp, have more "power" in sales talk? Does 14.5 torque translate to 11 hp? Here's the website: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_07188106000P?keyword=snow+throwers
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Gelid
Location: Maine
Joined: Nov 19, 2007
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Re: snapper sellsout to sears
Reply #15 Jan 23, 2008 6:38 pm |
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My guess would be that he's not much older than 60 years. I'm younger that that, and can definitely remember what it was like to shop at a local grocery store. You could find supermarkets in the bigger cities at that time, but even then they were a bit of a novelty. It seems like they exploded overnight, and swallowed up the mom-and-pop grocers like Microsoft swallowed up the competition. Or Wal-Mart. Or Toyota. Or Anheiser-Busch, etc.
Point is, it really wasn't that long ago. If you're under 30 years old, I can see how this may seem like ancient history. Scary thing is, it will be less than 30 years before the next generation looks at your lifestyle and declares it "irrelevant". Just like the generation before. And, the one before that. And, the one before that...
How about gasoline at $1.00 per gallon? Do you remember that? That wasn't that long ago, either. I'll not even mention what the price of gas was when I started driving. No sense in bumming anybody out. Let's just say that, at 9 MPG, my Hemi 'Cuda got great gas mileage - on a minimum-wage job.
Sorry... I'd wish I was under 30 but unfortunately I'll be 45 this year. I believe the confusion comes from our definition of what a "supermarket" is, which seems to differ. In the town where I grew up there still a medium size independent grocery store with a sign proclaiming "Your Supermarket Since 1922" in red and green jumbo neon letters, it's horrendously tacky (the sign not the store) but that's what happens when one of the major employers in town is a neon sign manufacturer. According to my late grandparents that sign appeared in the mid-1930's when another grocery store opened so that everyone in town would know who was there first. So the concept of supermarkets was already a reality in the 1920's even though the word itself may not have been in use until a decade later which is still quite a long time ago. Because of this I could not imagine that someone who would have known the era before supermarkets (before 1922) could be less than 90 years old.
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borat
 
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Re: snapper sellsout to sears
Reply #16 Jan 23, 2008 7:19 pm |
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I noticed Sears has rated the power of this year's snow thrower (comparable to my particular model) with torque rather than with horsepower. My model is rated at 11.5 hp and this year's corresponding model is rated with 14.5 torque. HP isn't mentioned. Fifteen customer reviews were mostly great with a few exceptions and they (customers) mentioned that this model is 11 hp. Does the use of the word torque, rather than hp, have more "power" in sales talk? Does 14.5 torque translate to 11 hp? Here's the website: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_07188106000P?keyword=snow+throwers
Are you in the U.S. or Canada? Is your engine the B&S 305 cc ? There's been quite a bit of discussion about that engine and B&S bizarre h.p. ratings for the same engine. I've read that all the 305cc engines are 11 h.p. and marketed as 8, 9, 9.5, 10, 10.5. 11 and 11.5 h.p. I have a Simplicity with a B&S labeled as 9.5. It's a much more potent engine than my previous Tecumseh 10 h.p. engines. I don't doubt that it's probably an 11 h.p. engine. The difference between h.p. and torque is that torque can be readily measured. Horse power is calculated. The following is the formula concerning torque vs. horse power.
Horsepower Equation P = T times N/5250 Where: P = Power, hp
N = Rotational shaft speed, rpm
T = Torque, lb-ft so: 14x3600, divided by 5250 = 9.6hp T=14 for ft/lbs torque
N = 3600 (usual RPM OPE engines are rated at)
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Snowbound
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Re: snapper sellsout to sears
Reply #17 Jan 24, 2008 12:19 am |
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Are you in the U.S. or Canada? Is your engine the B&S 305 cc ? There's been quite a bit of discussion about that engine and B&S bizarre h.p. ratings for the same engine. I've read that all the 305cc engines are 11 h.p. and marketed as 8, 9, 9.5, 10, 10.5. 11 and 11.5 h.p. I have a Simplicity with a B&S labeled as 9.5. It's a much more potent engine than my previous Tecumseh 10 h.p. engines. I don't doubt that it's probably an 11 h.p. engine. The difference between h.p. and torque is that torque can be readily measured. Horse power is calculated. The following is the formula concerning torque vs. horse power. Horsepower Equation P = T times N/5250 Where: P = Power, hp
N = Rotational shaft speed, rpm
T = Torque, lb-ft so: 14x3600, divided by 5250 = 9.6hp T=14 for ft/lbs torque N = 3600 (usual RPM OPE engines are rated at) I'm in the U.S., Massachusetts. Thanks for the formula and translation! Found this B&S 14.50 torque version in the Northern Tool website along with some specs. According to their specs, the rpm is 3750 max. Using your formula, I get 10.357 hp. Close enough. My manual doesn't list the engine size. My snow thrower B&S model number is 21C214-0530-E1. (sorry about displacing the quote above - couldn't fix it)  http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200084174_200084174
This message was modified Jan 24, 2008 by Snowbound
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