Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

I was all set to order a Toro 20" model, but I see they've just introduced a new line that's an inch wider, otherwise pretty similar and doesn't weigh any more.

Anyone have the inside scoop on these? Same Toro quality?

http://www.toro.com/home/snowthrowers/index.html

I own a Toro 2450 with the Briggs RTEC 2 stroke. I bought it at Home Depot 3 years ago at 50% off figuring I could always sell it for what I paid. I use it for smaller  snow falls where I don't want to use my 2 stage machine. It has become one of my favorite pieces of equiptment.

 Why anybody would want to put a 4 stroke on a single stage unit is beyond me. You want the rpm of the 2 stroke in order to get throwing distance. The R TEC is absolutely reliable and lives up to it's guaranteed to start (GTS) name. More than ample power and less weight than the  4 strokes. I know the EPA hates them but if you can find one and are in the market for a single stage paddle drive get it while you can. 

Just a side note- I use Echo synthetic 2 stroke oil and you would be surprised at how little smoke the Toro produces.

Marc

After a short hiatus from winter, we finally got some real snowfall. About 7 inches of powder, with 16-18 inch drifts. It was about 10 degrees above in the garage (-5 outside), and the Toro started on the third pull. Now, I can give you a realistic critique of this machine.

One of the biggest drifts - I'd estimate 22 inches - was smack dab in front of the garage door when I took the Toro out. It chugged through the pile effortlessly. The throwing distance was impressive, too - far better than my old CCR3000 (which was no slouch). Granted, this is dry snow - but still impressive.

As I continued up and down the driveway and around the sidewalks, it became apparent that this little blower had some serious punch in the bottom end. As a certified 2-stroke user for a long time, I have to say that I'm changing my mind in the RPM-vs-Torque debate. This noisy, buzzy Tecumseh engine did not waver at all in the fluffy stuff. We got under 2 feet this time, but I have no problem taking on 2 feet or more with this machine. Yes - it's got that much grunt.

Just like all of the CCR series, the paddle sucks up snow like a vacuum cleaner. Including the mini-glaciers left behind when your better half decides to drive over the unplowed driveway. Two passes were enough to remove the stubborn packed snow, and the EOD performance was nothing short of amazing - it wouldn't choke until I got utterly ridiculous.

The cherry on this sundae is the chute director. Long after I had the whole machine coated with slush and snow, the direction control was silky-smooth. Some have questioned whether this feature is worth the extra money, I do not. With one hand on the bar and the other on the chute control, I've never seen a more responsive way to direct the blown snow. We rarely clear snow here in windless conditions, so this is a big plus. Unless, of course, you enjoy a rouge gust of wind spraying snow at your face. With this control, you at least have a fighting chance if you're quick. Not so with a crank-type director.

This snow event was by no means as bad as it gets here (Northeastern Iowa) - but pretty typical. Judging from the performance so far, I think I can safely recommend this model. Buy in the off-season, of course - and make sure you have service available after the sale. I think 4-stroke single-stage machines are the future. Nobody worries about emissions or smell when the blizzard hits - but less emissions and smoke translates into increased efficiency. I can't say for sure yet, but it looks like this PowerClear even gets better gas mileage than my old two-stroke. Don't dump your viable 2-stroke machine if it's doing the job, but do look at the newer 4-strokes when it's time to replace. I figure they'll only get better as more folks adopt (Hear that Toro? How 'bout a Briggs engine?).

PROS: East starting, great chute direction control, no mixing of gas/oil, gobs of reserve power, 2-year warranty, only slightly heavier than it's 2-stroke counterpart.

CONS: Reliability somewhat in question (based upon my experience), pretty noisy for a 4-stroke, engine rattles and shakes entire machine (less when auger engaged), price is high (if bought during the season).

Thanks for the update and glad that the machine is working OK now.  Though I went with the Honda, I'm pretty certain that they're both just as good in the performance/quality department.  Your story seems to be one of bad luck, in my opinion, rather than indictive of systemic poor quality.  I did like the Toro chute control.  Very slick.  But over here, I would have had to pay $170 to get it.  I just couldn't pay that kind of money for a cool chute control.  Honda's is a long handle that you can reach from behind the blower -- so turning the chute *and* changing the deflection angle can be done with one hand on the fly.  My neighbor has a new CCR3650.  Great performance, but watching him hand-crank his chute makes me glad that I don't have a crank.

Love those single-stange blowers!

Here is CO, there is no off-season price break.  Home Depot will slash their inventory in the off-season, but that's it.  The small dealers charge MSRP here year-round.  I had looked at snowblowers for the past 2+ years looking for a deal ... after passing on a $500 Ariens 926 and a $350 Honda HS520AS at HD in 2005.  Nothing.  If you live east of Michigan, then there are a zillion deals, auctions, etc.  In CO?  You think it never snowed here by the lack of snowblower auctions, resell, and dealer sales.  When there are listings, it's for unreal amounts -- bought new in 2002 for $1,600, barely used, $1,500 OBO.  Apparently, 5 years of use and rust doesn't depreciate a piece of outdoor equipment here in CO.  Yep, I'm bitter!  ;)  Tired of reading all of the "wait until the off-season to get a good deal" posts!  Where I live, it could be 105 in mid-August or 15 in mid-Jan with 10" of snow and the price of that snowblower is exactly the same ... and the dealers are just as unwilling to deal.

67L48 wrote:

Buy elsewhere and have it shipped in.  You'd be surprised how little shipping can be.  Often it's free.  I live in a town where vendors have the same attitude.  Top dollar for everything.  MSRP is the rule.  I have learned to e-shop and buy thousands of dollars worth of merchandise from the U.S.    I have it shipped to a business at the border that handles parcels machinery, automobiles, motorcycles, atvs....you name it,  for cross border shoppers.  They charge a nominal fee for handling.  I have saved literally thousands of dollars doing this.  I will give the local business an opportunity to make a sale and attempt to negotiate a reasonable price.  They usually sand bag so I almost always end up buying out of town.   I do my own repairs and don't worry about repairs on everything with small engines.  For instance, I shopped for a leaf blower/vac in town.  Dealer wanted $250.00 for it.  I asked for a 10% reduction.  No can do.  I told the local dealer that I'll buy it out of the U.S. for $175.00.  His reply was that I wouldn't have a warranty.  I told him that the $75.00 I'll be saving will buy a lot of parts and I'll do the work myself.  Didn't make a difference to the dealer so I ordered it out of the U.S.  Warranties on well established quality products are virtually redundant.  I cannot recall anything I've bought in the last twenty years that required warranty work other than my nightmare Ford F150 from hell that  have since Iong parted with in favour of a Toyota.   And I buy a lot of stuff!   

67L48 wrote:
Yup, I agree. In spite of the chute control, I would have bought the Honda in a heartbeat - if one was available. I'm sure I would have been much more satisfied with Honda's engine (you kidding?), and if I decided to sell there's no doubt I'd find a willing taker.

Strange that snowblower prices in CO remain fixed like that. I would have figured sales volume would encourage competition among the numerous dealers. Guess they just went the other way - you know, the "Screw the Consumer" school of business. Methinks there is a statewide OPE association at the bottom of this plot. Imagine that.

I live west of the Mississippi, but I can assure you that deals are possible here. Usually, around mid-April the first of the markdowns appear, and the patient buyer may find a 50% off deal in May of June. Of course, this assumes that the unit you want is still available - many of the Hondas, Ariens, and Simps are out of stock by February. You also must account for seasonal differences - a mild winter generally means a suplus of stock - therefore a better chance to deal.

You have a better chance of finding what you want online, but shipping costs can offset an otherwise good deal. From what I've seen, many dealers or auctions offering "free shipping" will adjust their selling price accordingly. No free lunch, folks. However, patience can pay off for the savvy Internet buyer. Sounds like the way to go in your neck of the woods.

I feel your pain, brother, since I was forced to buy a snowblower in January! I suppose once you amortize the cost over 8 or 10 years, it's a lot easier pill to swallow. Sure beats shovelling.

Well, it's been an interesting winter. More snow than usual, and bitter cold like I haven't seen in 5 years. This was not the season to rely on a shovel - I'm feeling a lot better now about buying at January prices.

My little Toro 4-stroke handled most of the snow events with ease. It rips through powder like nothing - I pushed it into 26" with no problem. Wet snow is a different story, though. We've had a couple of major wet snowfalls since my last writing, and I have to say this single-stage machine was really laboring. It did get the job done, but often required a lengthy smash-and-backup routine when the depth went above 20".

In all fairness, this type of duty is probably beyond the machine's capabilities.Fortunately, this is only an occassional event here. The engine did surprisingly well in the wet stuff, until this last snowfall - which was nearly slush it was so full of moisture. Took twice as long as normal to clear the drive and walkways, and chute clogging was a real problem. I finally was able to tax the engine to the point where it stalled, but you wouldn't believe how thick and heavy this snow/slush mixture was. I think a small 2-stage model would have bogged down in this slop as well.

I'm givng the new Toro good marks for performance. Most winters aren't as bad as this year, so I doubt if I'll be pushing it to the limit very often. That said, it's an excellent dry snow machine - with more wet snow capability than you might expect. The chute control continues to impress me, but the extra cost is a bit hard to accept. By the way, the chute did freeze up after use (as they all do), but I'm happy to report that it took very little effort to break it loose - and the control still worked smoothly. The crude feel of the engine still bugs me somewhat, but not enough to break the deal. Think I'll be hanging on to this machine for now.

If you're in an area than normally gets less than 70" a year and you don't have a 500' driveway to clear, I'd say this Toro will do fine as your primary blower. For the bigger snow, a 2-stage can't be beat - but this little unit is quite capable in a pinch.

oldcrow had no issues blowing 26" snow with his Toro SS so he must have a superior technique.  Perhaps, oldcrow can share his secret technique so we can master it.