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iLikeOrange


Joined: Nov 18, 2005
Points: 120

Ariens new style chute controll
Original Message   Dec 19, 2005 2:06 pm
Hello All

I have a 2005-06' 926dle with the new chute rotation controll . The chute exhibits some strange behaviour. If you move the controll quickly left to right or vice/v,  there may be some backlash of the chute. By this I mean the chute has not locked into position properly. It may lock, but not where you want it to. Chutes gone wild. I took the chute gear assembly apart and it seemed to have to much play between the Chute Gear and the Locking Chute Gear at certain positions. On my unit the problem was worse on the left side. This design, as is, has a very narrow operating tolerance.  I replaced the two washers behind the chute gear (spacers to me)  with a slightly thicker nylon washer and now it operates as it was intended too. I am sure this will vary from unit to unit.  I think Ariens is going to get some calls on this. I don't mind fixing this myself, actually it  was kinda fun to figure it out and get it to work properly. YMMV.  When I was all done perfecting this setup I measured the chute rotation to be aprox. 210 degrees. With a different Chute Gear this could easily be more.

John

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jubol


Location: Dover, De
Joined: Oct 3, 2003
Points: 1558

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #1   Dec 19, 2005 4:52 pm
Orange,

I use a little Slick 50 to lube my rotating parts.

Even if the oil part is thrown off, the Teflon is still there.

                                                                        Fred

Husqvarna STE927(11.5HP) snowblower,  MTD Pro Series 18/42 Lawnmower, MTD 6.5 HP  Self Prop Lawn Mower,  Weedeater 1500 Blower, Web Gensis  2000 
newjerseybt


You want it done right?...You better learn how to do it yourself!

Ariens 1128DLE
Ariens 8526LE
Honda HRC216
Bosch 3221L
Craftsman DYT4000
Stihl FS90R


Location: Honesdale, PA
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
Points: 171

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #2   Dec 19, 2005 6:20 pm
I have seen some complaints in this area before. This is a great example of having an experienced OPE dealer assemble the machine as opposed to the revolving help in the big box stores.

 Paying attention to details during assembly (like you have) will ensure the chute  works properly. A final quality control check
should have taken place before the machine went out the door.

jubol


Location: Dover, De
Joined: Oct 3, 2003
Points: 1558

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #3   Dec 19, 2005 7:15 pm
Folks,

If you buy from HD or Lowes, buy it in the box!!

Save the assembly fee, do it your self!!

By doing it your self, you will learn more about your new toy and how it operates !!

                                                                  Fred

Husqvarna STE927(11.5HP) snowblower,  MTD Pro Series 18/42 Lawnmower, MTD 6.5 HP  Self Prop Lawn Mower,  Weedeater 1500 Blower, Web Gensis  2000 
iLikeOrange


Joined: Nov 18, 2005
Points: 120

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #4   Dec 19, 2005 7:18 pm
This is not an assembly error, IMO it is a design issue. Not the simple cable adjust issue that is common. I did purchase from Local OPE dealer, but I  have to check everything .....

John

Mads


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Joined: Dec 7, 2005
Points: 30

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #5   Dec 20, 2005 5:38 am
Talking design, It look like Ariens is learning by the try and error method.

I explain: Over the years Ariens as try so many differents concepts and sometimes come back to old concepts they used in the past.

Exemple: The blower had 3 blades in the past, then 6, than 3 again, and 4 blades now. The blower diameter is changing all the time: Bigger, smaller, and bigger again (14 inch. now). The chute rotation system is changing every years (almost). Mine is an electric chute (love it), the years before it was a spiral styx, the year after a different system (fast rotation alike the one used this year but slower and it was moved by the force of the snow thrown (bad thing). This year they've come up whit a new system again!!! >>> Too imprecise, move too radically to me. I'll bet they gonna change it next year or two!  It look like they have a lack of ingeneering or something. They try over and over again until they finaly find the right way to built the thing. In the other hand, there is companies who seems to think more before doing something and they seems to have found the way to build their machine. Honda per exemple seems to have found the right concept for their machine. They haven't changes for years exept for details.

In fact Ariens change their concepts so often that I wonder if I would be able to find replacement parts for my electric chute if it breacks after some years. It must be costly to Ariens to have to keep so much differents parts in stock. 

I don't understand the point!

And I had to put spacers too on the dented weel of my electric chute to prevent the electric motor to go too far and spinning at the end of the rotation. The fitting between the body and the xhute was not good!

That was easy to figure out and to correct the problem, but it let an impression of poor conception or no constance in manufacturing!

Garandman


Location: South Boston, MA
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
Points: 341

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #6   Dec 20, 2005 5:46 am
Mads

 It look like they have a lack of ingeneering or something. They try over and over again until they finaly find the right way to built the thing. In the other hand, there is companies who seems to think more before doing something and they seems to have found the way to build their machine. Honda per exemple seems to have found the right concept for their machine. They haven't changes for years exept for details.

In fact Ariens change their concepts so often that I wonder if I would be able to find replacement parts for my electric chute if it breacks after some years. It must be costly to Ariens to have to keep so much differents parts in stock. 

I don't understand the point!

And I had to put spacers too on the dented weel of my electric chute to prevent the electric motor to go too far and spinning at the end of the rotation. The fitting between the body and the xhute was not good!

That was easy to figure out and to correct the problem, but it let an impression of poor conception or no constance in manufacturing!


Yes, I bet you can search their premises with a fine toothed comb and never find the Ingeneering Department.

Here's the point: Innovate, Automate, or Evaporate.
newjerseybt


You want it done right?...You better learn how to do it yourself!

Ariens 1128DLE
Ariens 8526LE
Honda HRC216
Bosch 3221L
Craftsman DYT4000
Stihl FS90R


Location: Honesdale, PA
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
Points: 171

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #7   Dec 20, 2005 2:13 pm
Ariens does listen to it's customers though......

There were complaints that the frame was too flimsy...they thickened it,  there were minor snow blowby issues 2 years ago...they gave a free baffle to fix it then redesigned the chute, there was perception the auger gear box was too small...the beefed it up, folks wanted a halogen light...they changed that, the chute action was too slow...they changed that, they added standard drift breakers and a shovel to save fingers, people did not like the baler bar on the compact series and they made the change.

Toro on the other hand did not make one change in the last 3 years on their PowerShift models. They did not even have a remote adjustment for the chute pitch...what happened....goodbye marketshare of their "high end" machines. They do make a good
residential model though.
plugger


Joined: Dec 14, 2004
Points: 39

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #8   Dec 20, 2005 7:54 pm
I've have a 926 DLE and have had a hard time getting used to the new chute.  First for some reason the direction is counter intuitive for me.  When I want to turn it left I almost always start by turning it right.  Second I'm always a bit surprised by how quickly it moves.   Third it doesn't seem to work well on hills.  Gravity pulls it out of position before it locks.  I find I have to hold it with one hand before letting go of the control lever.  Somone on the other board suggest checking the adjustments.  I'll check out the owners manual when I have a chance.  I wonder if changing the size of the spacers like IlikeOrange did on his would help it work better on hills?

Chevy  K1500,
Fisher 760LD,
Ariens 926LE Pro
newjerseybt


You want it done right?...You better learn how to do it yourself!

Ariens 1128DLE
Ariens 8526LE
Honda HRC216
Bosch 3221L
Craftsman DYT4000
Stihl FS90R


Location: Honesdale, PA
Joined: Dec 19, 2004
Points: 171

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #9   Dec 20, 2005 8:11 pm
I just came back from the HD about 3 hours ago. I checked out the next group of Ariens snow machines which were just finished being assembled. There were 5 926LEs and 5 1128LEs. Two of the chute controls were totally botched and did not latch at all.

Only 5 from the entire group latched correctly. A few worked intermittantly.

This new design absolutely works great when assembled correctly but requires competent help that gives a sheet. (of cookies).lol

wally


Location: Oakville, ON Canada
Joined: Nov 20, 2005
Points: 30

Re: Ariens new style chute controll
Reply #10   Dec 20, 2005 11:19 pm
I was in HD last Friday....looked at an Ariens ...found the chute control did not work properly.  I brought it to the attention of the staffmember.  I suggested that HD should exercise more care when assembling a floor model.  His reply was interesting....HD doesn't do the Ariens assembly....Ariens sends in  local OPE Ariens service personnel to do the job!!!   Interesting!!!  Now, his saying so doesn't make it "the whole truth and nothing but the truth" - but it's an interesting slant on things.

*(:>)*

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