Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Hi, First let me introduce myself, I am Mike, I am 16, I made this account with a friend for us both to use. I live in New England and found this forum through google because I felt it was neccessary to ask some snowblower experts and people who have various blowers what I should purchase.

Basically my mother decided she wants a snow blower so my dad doesnt have a heart attack in the case that I am not home to shovel(he has a valve problem). At first she wanted to go with the Arien 7.5, but I did some research and figured with the thick snow the plows pile up at the edge of our driveway, the 9.25 HP deluxe model would be better. When researching I also came accross an 11.5 HP blower from craftsman with power steering, and a 10.5 HP blower from Yard Tools that had "power steering." First let me mention I have a small, 30 by 20 driveway, and a 50 foot sidewalk. I also want to add that to make money this winter I will be doing neigboring houses so I want something relativly reliable and durable, though none of this is extreme use. I compiled some general info and was hoping for some input on what I should get.




The Ariens 7524E Compact: http://www.ariens.com/snow_products/compact_sno_thros/7524_e/
Price: $749 at HD
Pros: Compact, Cheap and Kraft Macaroni Colored
Cons: No console, small intake, So so power
What I would like to know: Is this really practical if I am going to do neigbors driveways and walks too? Will this clear heavy New-England snow, especially stacked by plows? How annoying does the lack of console shute controls get(the ones at HD don't even have the hand crank)?


The Ariens 926LE Deluxe: http://www.ariens.com/snow_products/deluxe_sno_thros/926_le/
Price: $999 at HD
Pros: Durable(seemingly), Large 4 Bladed impeller, Console mounted controls, Kraft Macaroni Colored
Cons: Lack of differential or any type of assisted steering system
What I would like to know: Is this really practical if I am going to do neigbors driveways and walks too? Will this clear heavy New-England snow, especially stacked by plows?


Yard Machines 5MLG729: http://www.yardmachines.com/servlet/BrandProductDetail?ID=1597&CAT=14&SUB=74
Price: $999 at HD
Pros: 10.5 Ponies, "power steering," Seemingly same features as Ariens 926LE, fairly priced, coolest color scheme
Cons: Polymer shute, suspicious brand, the cheaper one at my local HD had looked pretty flimsy, didn't seem to "heavy"
What I would like to know: Is this really practical if I am going to do neigbors driveways and walks too? Will this clear heavy New-England snow, especially stacked by plows? Is this brand really any good? How reliable is it? How long until the "polymer shute" cracks?


Craftsman 11.5HP Snow Thrower: http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=LAWN&pid=07188115000&tab=des&bidsite=CRAFT#tab
Price: $1,049 at Local Sears
Pros: 11.5 HP, "power steering," Craftsman name, Looks like it might be tough
Cons: 12 inch 3 blade impeller(outdone by 926LE), I see some plastic, Not Ariens
What I would like to know: Is this really practical if I am going to do neigbors driveways and walks too? Will this clear heavy New-England snow, especially stacked by plows? This has more power, but does it function as well as the Ariens system with the larger 4 bladed impeller?





I am interested in peoples(especially owners and expersts) responses to my question. Are there any other recomended brands for this 1k price that can be purchased locally? Currently I am leaning towards the Ariens as most of my friends have them and one found a 25 year old one at a yard sale and it runs great. Any other info I should be aware of feel free to add.

Thanks,

Mike of BBgarage

Would that dealer match HD? That sounds great, one right near me(do you have an address). Besides the Diff and hand warmers, what more does the PRO have if I was going with the same engine? As far as "mileage" is concerned, I could care less, we are replacing a minivan with a V8 magnum. Thanks for the great info.

Now would it be possible to purchase it in box from the dealer, possibly cheaper? I actually would like to assemble it and get an idea for how it all works(drive system wise), I definatly can, Ive rebuilt engines(car and 2-stroke), and built mopeds from scratch.

I also would figure the heavier ones would be easier to use once they were running, as less "push" is involved.

Why is the L head considered superior to the OHV, is it becasue its more proven? I would think the OHV would give more power as the mixture is introduced more directly.

Not to sound stupid, but are there any power upgrades that can be done besides removing the air filter and muffler(done to all my 2 stroke engines(3) that wouldnt cost much and wouldn't void the warrenty?

How my oil does the 926 take, I cant imagine that much. Also, is the drain plug on the bottom or am I going to have to tip this thing over?

BBgarage wrote:
There is a dealer locator at Ariens.com. This place was called Andy's, I have no idea if they are good or not, what they charge, or what they have for stock.

BBgarage wrote:
Pro has automotive style differential, lockable from the handlebars; cast iron auger gearbox; OHV engine (now being sourced from B&S as well as Tecumseh) ;  only sold and supported by dealers, and probably a few other things.  MSRP is $430 more. Your choice may be moot as dealers are starting to run out of stock. Usually they have a few of the Pro models left because people buy the cheap ones first.

Mid-December is not the time to be tinkering with one. You can take the bottom cover off and see how it works, or look for threads with pictures of the guts, or look at the Parts Radar on the Ariens website to see how they're made. Tinker with it next Spring when it's warm, sunny, and parts can be ordered at leisure. Or buy an old one and fix it up with a new engine and drive components.   Like this:



BBgarage wrote:
The L head is not considered superior, it's lower cost. It's proven durable in this application, but probably louder. "Mileage" = less pollution. You're 16, right? It's your world.....

BBgarage wrote:
No.
They don't have air filters. The muffler is part of the system on snow engines that heats the intake charge to makethe engine run well in very cold weather. Removing the muffler will just get a noise complaint from the neighbors without improving performance. You should wear eye and hearing protection if you like having them.

I ported and polished the intake manifold on my 824 while awaiting a new carb, but there's no guaranty (nor way to measure) that had any effect. It might even make performance worse since smooth walls might cause charge to condense - I just removed the gross casting flash and squarish corners.  You've got to test before and after to understand if you've improved things. Factory engineers went to school for years and have years of experience in their applied field.  Most of the time you're best off leaving it alone.

Most two strokes have carefully tuned exhaust tracts that are used to introduce fresh mixture.  There's a good chance removing the muffler will cause it to lose power, as well as making you a source of derision to your neighbors. Go ask your Science or Physics teachers.  You'll have to take Calculus and Physics at a minimum to start tweaking them in a logical way.

BBgarage wrote:
It's in the manual but uses less than a quart. Many folks use synthetic once they replace the oil after break-in. It's trivial to replace. No filter.

Would a cast iron gear box fit the Deluxe?

Well tommorow we will be picking up our 926LE from HD. They said they get them in in the morning, but I can wait until 2-3 and get it assembled, or buy it in box earlier and do the assembly myself. I am opting for getting it in box because A: I love assembling things, and B: I need it as early as possible.

Final Questions:
Is there anyone who things the 926 doesnt have enough power for the boston area? My neigbor was using a 1 stage he just bought and it stalled out at least 5 times in 8 inches of snow. He told us he was very dissapointed with it. I was shoveling by hand at my house and going between 2 or 3 times faster than he was.

I think home depot said they have the OHV model with a whole quarter of a horse power more!!!!, and it is the same price there(999), so I suppose that is good. Does anyone know for sure?

What exactly goes into the "assembly," Is it envolved, or just bolt on 2 things?

Does HD offer any "package" deals, as we are probably picking one up for my mother's boss too?

What is the most snow anyone has used there 926 in effectivly?

Will it handle ice bolders(re-ask)?

Thanks again,

Mike.

I will report back tommorow at the latest. I will take some assembly pics(unless they have em ready when I get there).

1) u may be a ble to get a 10% off copon from the Hd wed site is u say your moving(per snowman). they also sell these on ebay, but hd would not take the one i bought.

2)oil: 26 oz. it comes filed and ariens recomends that u chnage it after (i forget 2  or 5 hrs).

3) DRAining. unbelievably simple.

4) set up u will hav no problem.

good luck

According to the Arieans website the 926LE comes with either the 9.25HP Tecumseh Snow King engine or the 9.5HP Briggs and Strattton Power Built OHV. According to the B&S web site  B&S Power Built is NOT the same as the B&S Intek Snow. Both are part of their commercial power line but they are listed as separate from each other. Also the B&S site doesn't list a 9.5HP size only 8, 10 or 11 for the Power  Built and 6.5, 9 and 11HP for the Intek Snow. You  can see all the options here:

http://www.commercialpower.com/display/router.asp?DocID=76230

Then who should I believe, HD, or B&S? I am gonna check HDs site for coupons(good idea). I also asked HD if they had the Ariens 9.25 and they said they were gettin in an order of 9.5s.

What exactly is required for the "assembly" setup? I was kinda hoping it would be complex, as I find that stuff interesting.

We picked it up and gassed it up. It runs wonderfully. I had to try adjusting the skids a few times but I finnally got it. At one point the auger stopped working and I got a little worried. But then I relized the genuses from home depot didnt tighten the cable enough and it had vibrated the thing the cable attatches to loose, easy fix. On really packed snow it took a few passes to dig down(the stuff people have walked on the past day or so), but it got through, and it did all the fluffy stuff with ease. I am very happy and am looking forward to more snow and more money. :)

I should also mention it came pre-assembled(hence the loose thing), and it is the 926LE

BBgarage wrote:

If you are offering a snow removal service and accepting payment for it...you may be in "business", which means providing receipts, recording payments received, claiming income for tax purposes and most importantly...accepting financial responsibility in case someone sues you if they get injured. I hope you have special insurance to cover this.

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