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Garandman


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WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Original Message   May 13, 2005 2:23 pm
I've got to change several sets of tires on the 6" and 8" rims on snowblowers. BMF screwdrivers seem a little rough on the bead.
But none of the auto shops I've been to carry any, especially those OPE size. Nor does the lawn mower / snowblower dealer.

I was thinking perhaps an ATV dealer would have them? Any suggestions for size or type?

TIA
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robmints


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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #4   May 13, 2005 7:49 pm



Wrapping the tire with a rope, or better a ratcheting tie down around the middle will help seat the stubborn ones. Especially if your compressor is pressure challenged, like mine.
Anyone use Slime or equilivent?
buttlint


Joined: Oct 14, 2002
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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #5   May 13, 2005 10:37 pm
I think any time you can run a tubeless tire on anything is the better way too go.
On OPE stuff...one of the problems that arises is that most of the stuff we use sits for 6 months of the year and just naturally loses air.
Nobody really seems too be that concerned with air pressure in thier tires on this stuff. They just fire up thier machines and off they go.
With snowblowers...they have stiff tires...they look like they have air in them....and guys just go with what they look like.
That causes a problem with tubed tires. The tires spin....and the tubes stay where they are....the valve stems take a beating.
On summer equiptment....punctures are a more common problem...when you puncture a tire...you also puncture the tube. (It's a lot easier too put a rawhide plug in a tubeless tire than it is too replace the tube.)
It seems too me that alot of tubeless tires wind up with tubes in them because its harder too seat the rims than it is too stick a tube in the tire. (That's what a lot of guys do when they can't get them too seat on the rim.)
I am old school...putting tubes in tubless tires is cheating.....but then I am a stubborn old SOB that has been known too spend 3 hrs of shop time trying too get a tire too seat. (A can of ether and a match school kinda guy.)
I dont know if there are any tricks too Ariens tires or not? (We are not an ariens dealer.) Perhaps Ariens guys have thier own tricks. I'm just speaking too OPE tires in general. They can be a PIA.
AJace


I have an Ariens 926 Pro because I like Orange



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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #6   May 13, 2005 11:29 pm
How is the ether and match method? 
I wonder if the tubeless tires ever loose the flat spot they are supposed to get when sitting for an extended period of time, if they will ever ride the same. 

Ariens 926 DLE Professional; Toro S200; Craftsman LT1000, Echo ES-230;

buttlint


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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #7   May 14, 2005 9:30 am
AJ,
Ether and Match Method.
You lay the wheel on the ground, spray the inside of the tire with ether starting fluid, lite a match and toss it into the tire and run like a bunny.
When the ether ignites you get a nice little explosion that expands the tire outward and onto the rim seat.
There are a lot of "depends" involved with this.....Temperature...wind....how much ether is too much....how accurate can you throw a match and from how far away.
You cant use rim sealer...(cause it catches on fire). You have too use the right ether....(that can catch on fire too.) You have too have the air chuck handy...and get it on the stem in a hurry.
Disclaimer: Kids....dont try this at home!
It is only meant too be done by professional burnouts that have no concern for thier personal saftey.
Here is a demo for a proper bead seater.....video ......Click on the second product demo and crank up the sound.
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Garandman


Location: South Boston, MA
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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #8   May 14, 2005 1:30 pm
If you go tubeless does the stem just push through from the back?
buttlint


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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #9   May 14, 2005 1:36 pm
Garandman wrote:
If you go tubeless does the stem just push through from the back?

Yep.
AJace


I have an Ariens 926 Pro because I like Orange



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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #10   May 14, 2005 1:43 pm
That's way too cool.  Practically instant.      I never knew there was any thing like this out on the market. 

Ariens 926 DLE Professional; Toro S200; Craftsman LT1000, Echo ES-230;

Garandman


Location: South Boston, MA
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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #11   May 18, 2005 11:58 am
Outfits like Northern Tool have a "Mini tire Changer" for about $40. Anyone try one? I have three sets of tires to mount/demount so it would pay just about for itself.

Do tire shops change OPE tires or do I have to take it to an OPE delaer?

AJace


I have an Ariens 926 Pro because I like Orange



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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #12   May 18, 2005 3:00 pm
I took my front OPE tires with the rim still on it to the local tire service they had new tires 2 days later. 

Ariens 926 DLE Professional; Toro S200; Craftsman LT1000, Echo ES-230;

buttlint


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Re: WTB Tire Irons for OPE?
Reply #13   May 18, 2005 7:23 pm
G.
I have one of those tire machines.
I cant really tell from the picture.....but I think the one I use is a a little bit more heavy duty. (I could be wrong.)
I does work ok for breaking down beads...especially on rims that have a shallow well.
It also helps on the smaller b*stard rims (3"-4") (The small ones can be the toughest.) Sometimes if you can clamp a vise grip on the rim...you can "pull" and "turn" the tire onto the rim.
As far as using the "mounting bar thing" , I seldom use it...it just doesnt work that great on most tires and rims. (I wind up using screwdrives and WD, even when its mounted in the tire machine.)
There is no "easy" way too do tires. Some times you get lucky...and they are a piece of cake. Most of the time....they are just wrestling matches.
The 6" and 8" sizes that you are dealing with...are usually the easiest.
Why not just try the screwdrivers first? If you bend the lip of the rim you can bend them back with some vise grips. (Just dont go nuts with the bending.)
Many tire stores will mount tires for ope. (Around here they do.)
We get lots and lots of tires half mounted on rims....give it a try and if you succeed...good for you...
If you dont.....oh well...you wont be the first. Good luck.

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